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Lou E Brown

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There are times wherein the titular person must become the evicted person, and I may not quote a certain Shabazz by saying by any means necessary. The Halfrican may already be on to me. 

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Obama is judge, jury and executioner

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Roger Hedgecock

Attorney General Eric Holder has now made clear what many long suspected. 

Barack Obama has repealed the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which states in relevant part “nor shall any person... be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."

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OTB's Doug Mataconis describes it this way:

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That’s really the most important point of all. If there’s one thing that history has taught us about these assumptions of power by the Presidency it’s that, once assumed they are never retracted. For all of the Democratic Party’s criticism of manner in which the Bush Administration asserted powers for itself while conducting the War On Terror and the Iraq War, the Obama Administration has not foresworn any of those assertions of power. Indeed, on more than one occasion, the Obama White House has relied upon legal arguments developed during the Bush Administration, including the so-called “state secrets” doctrine, which it has used to block more than a few efforts to bring judicial review to Presidential decision making in this area. Do not doubt that whoever succeeds Barack Obama, whether that occurs in January 2013 or January 2017, will continue to assert that they too have the authority to target people for killing based on secret proceedings using secret evidence and conducted wholly outside public view? Once again, we’ve let a President open Pandora’s Box and nobody knows what might come out.


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I don't normally follow MSNBC, however ...  I was surprised they covered this story this way:

Holder: US can legally kill Americans in terror groups
 

By Pete Williams, NBC News Justice Correspondent

The U.S. government is legally justified in killing its own citizens overseas if they are involved in plotting terror attacks against America, Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday, offering the Obama administration's most detailed explanation so far of its controversial targeted killing program.

"In this hour of danger, we simply cannot afford to wait until deadly plans are carried out, and we will not," he said in remarks prepared for a speech at Northwestern University's law school in Chicago.

The Fifth Amendment provides that no one can be "deprived of life" without due process of law.  But that due process, Holder said, doesn't necessarily come from a court.

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Apparently the Obama Administration has engaged in preparing for the new world order.  There are a few statements here (in bold) that should chill the blood of every patriotic American ...

is reporting that FBI Director Robert Mueller on Wednesday said he would have to go back and check with the Department of Justice whether Attorney General Eric Holder's "three criteria" for the targeted killing of Americans also applied to Americans inside the U.S.  Pressed by House lawmakers about a recent speech in which Holder described the legal justification for assassination, Mueller, who was attending a hearing on his agency's budget, did not say without qualification that the three criteria could not be applied inside the U.S.

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The circumstances "are sufficient under the Constitution for the United States to use lethal force against a U.S. citizen abroad," Holder added.  However, the attorney general, referencing legal authority in the War on Terror that dates back to the George W. Bush administration, said the Obama administration is not bound to a particular battlefield.

 
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"Neither Congress nor our federal courts has limited the geographic scope of our ability to use force to the current conflict in Afghanistan," he said.
 
Holder argued in his remarks that it is "simply not accurate" that the president must get permission from a federal court before taking action against a United States citizen terrorist.  "Due process and judicial process are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process," he said.

 
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But Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University, wrote in Foreign Policy magazine on Wednesday that Holder's remarks not only would be seen by the framers of the Constitution as "the very definition of authoritarian power," but were met "not with outcry but muted applause."
 
"Holder's new definition of 'due process' was perfectly Orwellian," Turley wrote. "What Holder is describing is a model of an imperial presidency that would have made Richard Nixon blush. ...  "Where due process once resided, Holder offered only an assurance that the president would kill citizens with care. While that certainly relieved any concern that Obama would hunt citizens for sport, Holder offered no assurances on how this power would be used in the future beyond the now all-too-familiar 'trust us' approach to civil liberties of this administration," he wrote.


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